The Charlie Kirk Shooting: America's Far-Right Cannibalism

A conservative activist was shot dead by someone even further to the right than himself, highlighting America's terrifying rightward shift toward extremism. The incident reveals how far-right ideology has become so normalized that prominent figures like Charlie Kirk are considered "sellouts" by even more radical elements.

• Charlie Kirk, 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, was killed by a 22-year-old extremist who considered him not conservative enough
• The shooter, son of a Mormon pastor from a Republican family, represents the extreme right-wing fringe that has become increasingly violent
• Understanding the Overton Window helps explain how extreme acts can shift public discourse in dangerous directions
• The host shares personal experience growing up in an evangelical household similar to Kirk's ideology
• White supremacy isn't just a fringe element in America but is woven into the country's social fabric
• When opposing fascism gets you labeled a terrorist while promoting extremist views makes you celebrated, America has reached a dangerous point
• The concerning reality that America continues moving rightward, with no signs of moderating

Stay curious and stay uncomfortable.

Transcript

Introduction to Charlie Kirk's Death

Speaker 1 0:34

Thank you , hey everybody , and welcome back to another episode of the Speak Plainly podcast , where we speak plainly about things that matter . I'm your host , al Medicine , and in today's podcast yeah , you probably guessed it we're going to talk about Charlie Kirk and his shooter , murderer , person . Oh my , I'm already tired of hearing about him . I'm tired of talking about him . I recorded this podcast two days ago , the day that he got shot , and or the day after he got shot , actually and somehow it disappeared . It just disappeared off of my SD card , the one that I'm recording this one on . Somehow it just is gone . So , which is fine . It was a little too meandery and we didn't know much yet . So now we have Charlie Kirk , a conservative nutjob , who is now dead , and we have in custody the guy who shot him , apparently turned in by his father , not him , apparently turned in by his father .

Speaker 1 1:44

Well , immediately , if you remember when Charlie Kirk was shot , charlie Kirk is a conservative think tank nut job . He is a young . He's 31 years old , I think was 31 years old , and he had been writing opinion pieces for conservative , fascist , white supremacists since he was about 16 years old . He started Turning Point USA when he was 18 , and he had been all over my reels and shit for a couple years now , probably not the least reason of which is that I like Dean Withers and Dean Withers is kind of his antithesis . Dean Withers is a it's a liberal who is about the same age who often debates people online and obliterates everybody which Charlieirk was kind of famous for too except charlie kirk , like was really garbage . He , he . I watched his debates and he was well spoken , but he couldn't debate to save his life . He was a racist , sexist , misogynistic , transphobic piece of absolute shit . So for those of you who didn't know , you've probably heard a lot of the quotes from him by now . I'm just going to paraphrase them because I don't even care to bother reading them again .

Speaker 1 3:17

He said that MLK was not a very good guy . He said he didn't want a black woman flying his plane or a lesbian surgeon working on him . He said that empathy caused a lot of problems , that it was a new age thing and it causes problems . He said that he hopes public executions certain ones , not all of them , and certain ones would be great . It would be really entertaining . We should bring back public executions . And he said that it's okay when people die because of guns . So we can have the Second Amendment .

Speaker 1 4:00

And he said that in response to questions about dead children in school shootings . So it's not great that he got like shot in front of his daughter . But I'm glad he's gone , I'm glad he's dead , I'm glad he's out of the world , I'm glad he's out of the gene pool , I'm glad he's out of my like the . I'm glad he no longer has the ability

Charlie Kirk's Controversial Statements

Speaker 1 4:27

to influence anyone . That's great . I think that's marvelous .

Speaker 1 4:35

He was a piece of shit . I can't remember if it's 95 or 97 . I can't remember if it's 95 or 97% of all of the like extremist terror deaths that happen in America a year , which is like a lot of them , but 95 to 95% of them ever , if you combine all of them up , are done by white male conservative extremists . Um , and guess who killed him ? A white male conservative , conservative extremist ? Um , I've , yeah

Who Killed Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 1 5:14

, so the guy that shot him is a 22 year old kid who is the son of a Mormon pastor . They are gun-toting , bible-thumping Republicans and this kid shot him because he wasn't racist enough .

Speaker 1 5:34

He literally said that the guy was a sellout , that Charlie Kirk was a mainstream sellout and he wasn't a real conservative and he created this group . He was a part of this group that went to Charlie Kirk's events and would basically just harass him . They would just go to his events and boo and jeer and try to set up people to debate him that he would lose which , by the way , dean Withers went to more than one Charlie Kirk event and tried to get Charlie Kirk to debate him and he wouldn't because he knew he would lose . So , yeah , I'm glad Charlie Kirk's dead . I'm glad he's dead . I'm not glad he died the way he died .

Speaker 1 6:29

But I won't lie and pretend I have any empathy for him and I also won't lie and say I wasn't extremely impressed with that shot . My God , from 200 yards in the neck Wow , that's impressive . That's how you know it wasn't a liberal . That's exactly how you know it wasn't a liberal Like I can't shoot like that and I'm a liberal who can shoot . I can't shoot like that . Damn these motherfuckers be wild out here . So these motherfuckers be wild out here .

Speaker 1 7:02

So yeah , this guy that shot and killed Charlie Kirk was a white extremist who basically said he wasn't extreme enough . How crazy is that ? How crazy is the world that we live in ? This is insane y'all .

The Host's Personal Connection

Speaker 1 7:26

This is like for real , real insane . This dude got shot in the neck in front of a bunch of kids at a college campus , like for being not racist enough . What , what ? I don't understand . Like Jesus Christ people , like the shit that he said about MLK and like a long list of women , and like that they never could have , never could have gotten to where they got on their own brain power , because they're black women , they're too stupid , so they had to sleep their way to the top . They had to find other ways . Oh wait , nope , they didn't . The only other way was D-E-I . That was it . We got to blame D-E-I . Well , I guess it's a good thing D-E-I didn't make it into the gun store Because that was some good-ass snipering . And now he's dead .

Speaker 1 8:27

So in my last recording on this I talked a little bit about the Overton window and I even actually said I was like we don't know who this is yet we're assuming I'm even assuming because I'm hoping , I guess that it was some like leftist . But nope , and guess what ? They're still blaming the leftists , they're still blaming us for being like fuck that guy . He was a piece of shit . Sorry , not sorry , he was a piece of shit .

Speaker 1 9:05

I'm not going to have empathy for someone who thinks that gays are not people , who thinks that black people aren't as smart , who literally said that all cultures aren't the same and said yes , obviously , white Western values are superior . Obviously , western values are superior , obviously . He added the obviously twice Like what a fucking piece of shit . Oh , he's so dead , thank God . Thank God , I'm glad . I'm glad . I'm glad he's dead , I'm glad . I'm not glad he was shot in the neck in the middle of the day , because we have psychos running around who think people aren't , aren't racist enough , so they're running around shooting people . I'm not glad about that . But I'm glad charlie kirk is gone . He was an absolute waste of space . I do feel bad for his daughter being just taken from him that way , but also , you know , like fuck his dad , fuck his dad , fuck her dad .

Speaker 1 10:03

And what's really fucked about this for me is I was Charlie Kirk . I was Charlie Kirk . I believed the same shit so fucking badly . I was kicked out of elementary school and my mom had to come and get me because I was running around telling the other third graders that Santa Claus was the atheist's way to get God out of Christmas and to get Jesus out of Christmas . In third grade , in junior high and into high school I used to have preachings . I went and bought a 10 by 20 like one of those pop-up vendor things and I went to the local Christian bookstore and asked if I could use their parking lot , because it was on what we called the strip in my tiny town , this one street people used to drive up and down . I went out onto the strip and I sat up and I had preachers from different denominations come use the soundboard that I bought to do preachings and have other musicians that I knew like from school and from church come and play songs about Jesus to convert more people Me , me . I did this . Why ? Because of the influence of fucktards like Charlie Kirk . Because of the influence of fucking white supremacist nationalists like him and like my father . That is the world I grew up in . I grew up in Charlie Kirk's house .

Speaker 1 12:10

If you don't understand what it's like because you've lived it to live in an evangelical , bible-thumping nutjobs house you have no idea why I hate Charlie Kirk so fucking much . You can't . You can't comprehend him . You can't or my hate . You can't comprehend how much I really don't like this motherfucker . I don't . I don't hate him . I can't . I hated seeing him on my screen . You have to love , I think , enough to hate . Maybe I do hate him , maybe I did hate him , I don't know , it doesn't matter Because he's dead . I definitely didn't like his ass , I don't think . No , he didn't . No , I didn't hate him . He didn't take up enough like real estate in my brain . I saw him and I just , and I just clocked him as an absolute piece of shit and and I'm glad he's dead . I feel like I've said that too many times , but it's fucking true , I'm glad he's gone .

Speaker 1 13:14

And this whole thing about the Overton window that I brought up in the last one isn't even really relevant in the way that I was saying it , but maybe , maybe it won't , but maybe it will be relevant in the opposite side . So the Overton window is what I talked about with Luigi , because when it happened with Luigi , everybody was like , oh , it's a leftist and it was a white , rich person . And because they were rich , people were like , oh , leftist , which that's really stupid . But he had like hooray for Luigi . If you didn't check out that podcast , go back and listen to that podcast . I talk about the Overton window , and so the Overton window is . It's a sociological term for the things that we kind of averagely discuss as a society , as a culture , and the things that we , because of what we discuss , we view as normal and acceptable . What's in the boundary of like my purview , given like my general day , like what's the width of my experience , and that's kind of the Overton window , and what happens when something extreme like this happens , whether it's on the extreme right or the extreme left and with Luigi it was because it was somebody being like healthcare , give us healthcare that's a left thing . So that was an extreme left .

Speaker 1 14:39

This guy , trump , tried to pin it on the Democrats immediately . They were , um , the governor of fucking Utah literally said with tears in his eyes I hoped it wasn't one of us , I hoped that it would be someone else from some other state , from some other country who drove here , but it wasn't . And why ? He said because it would be easier , because it would be easier to hate , because it would be easier to hate this person . That's why it would be easier to hate them if they were brown , if they were black , if they were not from Utah , which means not a conservative , more likely than not . Wow , that's disgusting . But his shooter wasn't on the left . He was as extreme right as you can get . We thought Charlie Kirk was extreme right .

Speaker 1 15:34

This guy's extreme right and see , the thing is , is like the Overton window shifts according to hugely extreme acts , whether they're extremely on the right or extremely on the left . They're hugely extreme

Understanding the Overton Window

Speaker 1 15:52

acts and what happens is we have our normal like oh , this is the normal acceptable thing , for here's what we can do , here's the resistance , these are acceptable . Now that response of what we can do and what we can accept and what our options are to retaliate blasted wide open and it shifts the window . And what has to happen , according to history , in order for a social movement to gain traction because of an extremist move rather than to be damaged by an extremist move , is the extremist move has to happen before , like hopefully just before , like maximum peak protest stuff , and that's important . Timing is really important . The other thing that is really important is when the extreme action happens .

Speaker 1 16:51

Usually it's been the far left doing something extreme and the center and center-left , with Luigi , have to shun Luigi and say we don't support this , we don't support violence like that , and by doing that you separate the extremist and the entire nation's perspective shifts a little bit left . In this case it was another extremist right and I don't think that our country can shift its like at least our government can shift its views any more . Right , we are a totalitarian , fascist , racist , nazi Germany Like . We're not even like early 30s Nazi Germany . We're now in like the early 40s , almost Nazi Germany . It's gotten fucking bad , bro . So with the Overton window , the people now in the center-right have to be like no , that's not okay , that's bad . Otherwise , things are going to go more right . At least that's what the like history shows us in what successful social movements have done as far as their timeline and blueprint . So I don't know how this is going to go .

Speaker 1 18:09

I really don't it like go . I really don't it like it's wild man . I really do feel bad that , like it was shot in front of his fucking kid , but damn , like the irony is so thick . I don't . I don't know how anybody really finds like that much empathy for this motherfucker . And if you do good for you , motherfucker , and if you do good for you , that's fine . Whatever , that's great , but also fuck you , because you are providing empathy for a person who had none , for a person who said that empathy was a problem and you know what .

Speaker 1 18:44

Maybe that makes you a better person , but maybe that also just makes you virtue signaling . Maybe that also makes it to where you just want to feel like a good person . You feel icky because other people are celebrating about some guy's death and you don't want to feel icky , so you're just going to go ahead and take the high road and find some empathy for this trash person and then you get to have some more social currency . You get to have more social currency in the form of having those friends and going to the little candlelight vigils , which I think one of the few things I did . That was maybe a little too extreme , but I'm glad I did it . I'm glad I said it because that's my job was when there was a candlelight vigil going to happen in Port Angeles , my town .

Speaker 1 19:26

I made a post and was like hey , I heard there's a white supremacist gathering . Because I'm sorry , he was a white supremacist , he was a full-on white fucking supremacist . And if you're going to the vigil of a white supremacist , you're probably a white fucking supremacist , even if you're a white supremacist lite , even if you're a white supremacist mini , even if you're a white supremacist undercover and you don't quite fully admit it or realize it , which I believe is the majority of white supremacists . Because the thing about white supremacy in America is it's not a thing in America , it is America . America was born and bred in white supremacy . America , its entire social fabric , has it woven into the threads of the fabric . White supremacy is not white in America , white supremacy is just America . White supremacy is like bread into all of us , the white people , the brown people , the black people , the Asians , the everybody's . Why ? Because white is right . White in America had power .

Speaker 1 20:40

White in America is really good at presenting power the way that Charlie Kirk was really good at presenting power . He was really phenomenal at like sounding like he knew what he was talking about and being so self-assured . This guy was more self-centered than a fucking gyroscope and he was so self-assured and you could see it in his body language , you could hear it in the tone of his voice when he would speak . He was so self-assured . It inspires confidence and this is why conservatives like him .

Speaker 1 21:18

Conservatives tend to like authoritarian figures because they don't want to be bothered with the details . They don't want to bother to reappraise , which is a thing that I've talked about a lot on here . When you go into the neurology

White Supremacy in America

Speaker 1 21:34

of conservatives versus liberals across cultures , not just in white cultures , not just in America , that's like the biggest neurological difference is conservatives , self-listed , regardless of what your politics are in your country . Conservatives are more likely or I guess I should say conservatives are less likely to reappraise disgust . They just don't do it . When they feel a sense of disgust , they go that's good enough for me , it's wrong , I don't like it , and they don't want to put any more thought into it , which is why there are more liberals in cities . Cities create liberals because they force you to reappraise what you find disgusting , because there's people from different cultures , people from different backgrounds , people from different places in the world , different histories , and you have to learn to deal with that . So conservatives are not good at second-guessing their stuff and they don't want to think about anybody else's reality . So when they find somebody who says that White is right and they do it eloquently and most of the time he's not being a venomous psychopath then it makes sense to like him . It's the same reason I believed my father so much . He would say things with such calm and such rationale rationale and such self-ownership that you just believe it . You're just inspired to believe it , and that's what's so dangerous about people like him . So I'm glad he's gone .

Speaker 1 23:08

I don't know what's going to happen with the Overton window now . We can't really shift anymore , right ? Well , oh , fuck . Oh , I said it , knock on wood . That's not even real wood . God dang it . Oh , my guitar . I'll knock on real wood because we might be going more far . Right , that's okay , because I start college here pretty soon . I'm going to use the last of my GI Bill , stack some cash and probably get the fuck out of this country , because it's only getting worse , and I'm not going to stop my fuck fascists , anti-Trump , anti-fascist rhetoric and that makes me a terrorist in this country .

Speaker 1 23:46

Saying that you are anti-fascist , that you don't like fascists , literally makes you a terrorist in this country . I'm not being hyperbolic . It's Antifa is literally on the terrorist watch list and that's not an organization . It's just a bunch of people who are like fuck fascists , that's it . But in America , if you don't like fascists , you're a terrorist , which literally tells you that this is a fascist country and it was fascist before Trump got in . It was fascist before he came in .

Speaker 1 24:17

He's just taking all of the wool . He removed all of the wool in the first couple of weeks and now he's taken the chains , he's removed the chains off the fascists . Now we're all fucked and Charlie Kirk's dead . It's crazy , but he's dead . He's like dead dead and as much as that , really fucking sucks for his daughter , I'm glad he can't influence anybody else anymore . I really , I really am . I'm glad he can't influence , but I really , when I actually think about his daughter , I actually get sad .

Speaker 1 24:56

And I think that's a good thing , cause I was a little too gleeful . I think I was a little too gleeful . I think I was a little too gleeful at the beginning of this and I don't feel bad about that . It is something that I will actively plan on tempering more but because I didn't quite realize how gleeful I was at the beginning . But that's what happens . When you're an absolute piece of shit and you've made a career

Final Thoughts and Future Concerns

Speaker 1 25:27

out of ridiculing , talking down and convincing young people to be fascist neo-Nazis , then , yeah , people are going to celebrate your death .

Speaker 1 25:39

No one mourns the wicked . Fuck them . So fuck Charlie Kirk and fuck that nutjob right-wing idiot who shot and killed him too . I mean , whoever trained you to shoot , well done . Whoever trained you to think , not so much . Anyway , if you made it this far in the podcast . Thank you , I hope you got something out of it . I hope you at least learned my perspective . I'm sorry that Charlie Kirk got shot in the neck by an even more racist , even more white supremacist , even more neo-Nazi . But I'm glad he's dead . And remember stay curious and stay uncomfortable . Thank you you .